(--?--) Warner / Werner?
Some people claim that this person is Franz Christian Werner, son of Johannes Werner
Born: between 1762 & 1789 somewhere in Germany. Born ca. 1780 if Franz Werner is our man.
Died: by 1862 - 1889 somewhere in Germany
Buried: somewhere in Germany
Married: by 1806 in Germany
Franz Christian Werner md. Elisabethe Spengler/Spenglerin in July 8, 1798, Darmstadt, Hessen, Germany. They seem a good possibility.
Lived: Hesse-Darmstadt in 1807 long enough to have a child. No evidence that he immigrated to U.S. In fact his daughter Katherine states in her divorce papers that she had no family in the U.S. She further stated that Jacob Erkmann was planning on going back to Germany and leaving her behind on her own.
Occupation: unknown
Military: possible
Timeline:
1762 - born? somewhere in Germany
1772 - 10 years old?
1772 - 10 years old?
1780 - born?
1782 - 20 years old?
1782 - 20 years old?
1789 - born? - not born in 1789 if Franz Werner is our man.
1790 - 10 years old?
1792 - 30 years old?
1798 - Franz Werner md. Elisabeth Spengler? 18? 36?
1799 - 10 years old?
1802 - 40 years old?
1803 - Napoleonic Wars begin
1805 - December 2 - Battle of Austerlitz - near Austerlitz, Austrian Empire (in modern day Czech Republic)
Decisive battle of the Napoleonic wars that forced Louis X Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt to switch sides from Prussia to France. The state supplied soldiers to Napoleon's army.
1806 - daughter Maria Henriette born in Darmstadt - parents seem to be Franz & Elisabeth (Spengler) Werner
- Holy Roman Empire dissolved, Hesse-Darmstadt became part of the Confederation of the Rhine under Napoleon Bonaparte.
- August 13 - Under the Confederation of the Rhine Hesse-Darmstadt became a Grand Duchy and Louis X took the title Grand Duke Louis I / Großherzog Ludewig I
- October 1 - The Grand Duke revoked financial privileges of the landed nobility and began taxing them. The Landstȁnde (feudal estates) were abolished which created a centralized, absolute monarchy.
1807 - daughter Katherine born in Hesse-Darmstadt according to U.S. census records
1809 - 20 years old?
1812 - 50 years old?
1815 - Congress of Vienna - The Grand Duchy of Hesse-Darmstadt joined the German Confederation. Territory was swapped out among the various German states.
1819 - 30 years old?
1820 - December 17 - As per the constitution of the German Confederation, Hesse-Darmstadt adopted a constitution and created a parliament. Under the constitution local governments and courts became more standardized. Administrative duties were moved up or down the chain of command as needed.
1821 - Burgermeister (mayors) were established for individual settlements and parish associations with at least 400 inhabitants.
1822 - 60 years old?
1829 - 40 years old?
1830 - Louis II succeeded his father. He was in deep debt and expected the citizens to pay it off.
1831 - daughter Katherine married Jacob F. Erkmann in Germany
- 1092 parishes existed in the Grand Duchy overseen by 732 mayors.
1832 - 70 years old?
1835 - May 5 - grandson Jacob Erkmann born in Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany according to U.S. census records
1839 - 50 years old?
- daughter Katherine immigrated to U.S. with her husband Jacob Erkmann & her son Jacob.
1842 - 80 years old?
1849 - 60 years old?
1852 - 90 years old?
1859 - 70 years old?
1862 - 100 years old?
1869 - 80 years old?
1879 - 90 years old?
1888 - April 21 - death record for Maria Henriette (Werner) Hieb/Hess?, Darmstadt, I think. [google translation of my poor deciphering of the German record]
- Appeared before the undersigned registrar today, according to the personal information Eliza/Elise(?) Hieb, . . . residing to Darmstadt [gives a street address] No. 2 and indicated that . . . Maria Henriette Hieb, born Werner, 82 years, 6 months of old gospel /Lutheran [evangelische] Religion, living at Darmstadt [street name] No. 2 born at Darmstadt . . . Georg Pater (?) Hieb, . . . Franz Werner md? . . . Elizabeth, born Spengler . . . April 17?? . . . approved and . . . [name]. The Registrar [name?]
1889 - 100 years old?
Serfdom was not completely abolished until after 1850. By the 19th century this was less about ownership of people than a kind of share cropper situation. One paid tribute to a lord and not necessarily to the state or in addition to the state. Guild privileges took a long time to remove and allow private citizens to achieve economic autonomy.
The name Darmstadt first appears towards the end of the 11th century, then as Darmundestat. Chartered as a city by the Holy Roman Emperor Ludwig the Bavarian in 1330, at which time it belonged to Katzenelnbogen. . . . When the house of Katzenelnbogen became extinct in 1479, the city was passed to the Landgraviate of Hesse and was seat of the ruling landgraves (1567-1806) and thereafter (to 1918) of the grand dukes of Hesse.
State of Hessen, capital is Wiesbaden, the largest urban area is Frankfurt. Two other major historic cities are Darmstadt and Kassel. . . . The name is a derivative of the early inhabitant tribe Hessians (Hessen, singular Hesse).
The territory of Hesse was delineated only in 1945, as Greater Hesse, under American occupation. It corresponds only loosely to the medieval Landgraviate of Hesse. In the 19th century prior to the unification of Germany, the terriory of what is now Hesse comprised he territories of Grand Duchy of Hesse, the Duchy of Nassau, the free city of Frankfurt and the Electorate of Hesse (also known as Hesse-Cassel).
The Landgraviate of Hesse-Darmstadt was a state of the Holy Roman Empire, ruled by a younger branch of the House of Hesse. It was formed in 1567 following the division of the Landgraviate of Hesse between the four sons of Landgrave Philip I. The residence of the landgraves was in Darmstadt, hence the name. As a result of the Napoleonic Wars, the landgraviate was elevated to the Grand Duchy of Hesse following the Empire's dissolution in 1806.
Searched:u
Find-a-Grave for Darmstadt
Alter Friedhof = old graveyard
- Anton Werner b. 1918, d. 1988 - buried Alter Friedhof Darmstadt - no links to parents
- Erich Werner b. 1924, d. 2001 - buried Alter Friedhof Darmstadt - no links to parents
- Hildegard Werner b. 1927, d. 2008 - buried Alter Friedhof Darmstadt - no links to parents
- Doris von Werner b. 1941, d. 2020 - buried Alter Friedhof Darmstadt - no links to parents
- No Warner surnames buried there
Children:
Maria Henriette b. 1806, d. 1888 - dau. of Franz & Elisabethe (Spengler) Werner, may have married George Hieb?
Katherine - Catharine Franziske - dau. of Franz & Elisabeth (Spengler) Werner
Franz Christian b. 1808, d. ? - son of Franz & Elizabethe (Spengler) Werner
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